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I was contacted yesterday by a senior management figure with the Quenron (QPP) group. We spoke at length and in part two of this series I will serve up a series of bombshells for you. But let’s start with a minor bombshell – the issue of when Quenron staff have and will get paid and of market abuse by Quindell.
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Scott Sanderson
Tom, what did Bellinger say when you asked for comment? You did ask them for comment right?
GA
Tom,
The interims say that the PT shares were accounted for as if they were held in Treasury. This is not the same as them being in Treasury. This can clearly be seen from the 23 June RNS where after issuing these shares it states that there are NO shares in Treasury. Hence it is impossible at this time to conclude that they have subsequently sold the shares.
Your analysis heavily implies that because there are now no shares in Treasury then the shares have been sold. You talk about Quindell misleading the shareholders, but are you not guilty of misleading your loyal readers?
Chester
Hi Tom
It looks like that while QPP treats the 6,666,667 PT Healthcare shares “as if” held in Treasury (and presumably also the 2,676,479 Himex and 12,632,557 Ingenie shares issued on 14 July), it includes them within its statements of ordinary shares in issue.
Thus: Voting Rights RNS 20 June pre these share issues “As at 20 June 2014 Quindell’s issued share capital consists of 412,464,961 ordinary shares with a nominal value of 15 pence each (“Ordinary Shares”). The Company does not hold any Ordinary Shares in treasury.”
Then: A screenshot I have of the QPP website major shareholders page states “Current Total Shares in issue 436,345,424 as at 23rd July 2014 with none being held as treasury …”
The difference between the 20 June and 23 July stated shares in issue could be accounted for by the PT, Himex and Ingenie shares (+ 1,904,760 others issued which I can’t find mentioned anywhere).
Of course, by including the “as if” treasury shares in its statements of total shares in issue any sale of PT, Himex and Ingenie shares (c. 22m shares) is hidden from view … well, until the FY results.
J P Spaghetti
If I had a daughter who worked for Quindell (or one of its many subs) who didn’t get paid in time for Christmas (which I generally can’t abide) and – worse – New Year I’d track down Rob Terry and beat seven colours of shite out of the muthafooker. I mean that.
Scott Sanderson
Calm down spaghetti, your imaginery daughter will get paid on 8th Dec, along with all QPP staff (for clarity that’s before Xmas)
Chester
Re. the 1,904,760 other shares issued which I can’t find mentioned anywhere referred to in my previous post. Pre-close RNS 14 July states: “The Company also today announces the issue of 1,904,761 new ordinary shares, being approximately one-third of the deferred equity consideration payable to the sellers and issuable over a three year period, in respect of the acquisition of iter8 Inc., …” That’s the same sellers to whom QPP issued a further 101,586 shares last week http://www.shareprophets.com/views/9382/quindell-and-iter8-the-case-of-the-gaps-in-the-cv
wildrides
I doubt QPP employees will get paid in January ………… it will have gone down by then . They will get paid from the
Official receiver or administrator eventually . When these things go it can be real quick ……….. you just go in one day and get told to clear your desk and the receiver will be in touch with you . Been there , done it and worn the T shirt in the 1980 recession .
GA
Hi Chester,
I can’t see anywhere where it says that the Himex and Ingenie shares are treated the same way as the PT shares. As such I can only assume that they have been paid to the vendors (Quindell, as they were obliged to do, informed us how the PT shares were treated).
You say that you presume the Himex and Ingenie shares were treated in the same way. Would it be possible to show me how you arrived at this conclusion, just so that everyone is clear and isn’t being mislead.
Many thanks.
turbograndad
JP Spaghetti, I’m sure he’s got it coming, what goes round comes round.
Tom Winnifrith
Mark
are you thick or what? On Dec 8 they get paid for Nov. Al other cmpanies in the UK (nearly all) pay Dec wages ahead of xmas. QPP is paying Dec wages on Jan 6. Geddit moron?
t
Chester
Hi GA
QPP increased its stake in Ingenie to 49% on 4 February 2014, and per QPP’s response to Gotham ( http://www.quindell.com/Press-Release/detailed-response-to-gotham-city-research-speculation ) QPP “gained an option to acquire the rest in a share for share exchange at any time until January 2015” – so the Ingenie post balance sheet event on 14 July recorded in QPPs interims is presumably a share for share exchange on the same lines as PT Healthcare … and I’ve assumed the same for Himex. QPP talks about PT Healthcare shares being treated as if they are treasury shares because the PT event was within the reporting period of 6 months ending 30 June and appears in the accounts. Ingenie and Himex events occurring after the accounting period, so there’s no NEED for QPP to mention the status of those shares, although they could have CHOSEN to do so. Still, we know from QPP’s Gotham response that the Ingenie deal was a share for share exchange on the same lines as the PT Healthcare deal – so I think my suggestion that the shares QPP issued to Ingenie and Himex are “as if” treasury shares is not unreasonable.
alcira16247
Tom
So, whilst good old Mr Terry paid himself a nice little bonus of £720K in May, we may safely assume his poor ordinary foot soldiers won’t even be getting a small Xmas thank you bonus!
I bet, Mr Terry, won’t be worrying too much about buying presents or putting on a decent Christmas spread, this year, unlike some of his employees!
I guess, all most honest folk can hope for is Mr Terry, gets his just deserts sometime in the New Year!
Sometimes, the good guy’s do get to win, so fingers crossed!
wildrides
Mark ……… well you are a bit thick to be honest so I guess you had it coming . 8th Dec payment is for Nov work . For example my wife gets paid on the 22nd Dec for Dec ( ie in advance for some work not yet complete ) Ged it ?
Mark
Why is everyone referring to a “Mark” when clearly it’s a “Scott Sanderson” who came out with the stupid comment. Makes me feel kinda defensive lol
GA
Chester, yes they were share for share exchanges i.e. Shares in Ingenie and Himex in exchange for shares in Quindell. Its the same as the Aviva and Friends Life deal. It’s clear from the interims that the shares are not going to Quindell and the deal is NOT as per the PT deal. For example, the shares are subject to lock-ins. On this occasion I think you are confused and your assumptions are incorrect.
Regards
Robert
I work for a FTSE100 company and will be paid on the last working day of December, same as any other month. I don’t think not being paid before Christmas is significant at all. Waiting over a week for your pay, however, is! As is juggling the payment dates to flatter the cash position.
You’d do better if you didn’t make reference to non-issues like December payroll not being paid in time for Christmas.
Chester
Hi GA
There’s nothing explicit in the interims as to whether the Ingenie and Himex share issues are the same as for PT Healthcare (QPP issuing shares to itself) or not. The only thing you suggest is that Ingenie and Himex being subject to lock-ins makes the deals different to PT Healthcare. In fact, the PT Healthcare shares are also subject to a lock-in, so that doesn’t wash.
Chris
Hmmm all companies that don’t pay wages before xmas are a fraud??? Well that’s the MOD involved in fraud then and most of the people I’ve ever worked for, in fact who I work for now which is local government, is the first time I’ve ever been paid before Xmas!
Tom Winnifrith
Chris
Are you being deliberately thick?
QPP is a fraud. The wage deferral suggests it is hard up for cash. Pushing paydate back a month in Sept mislead investors. But nowhere did anyone ( other than you) say all companies that pay on their normal date ( ie post xmas) are frauds
T